For many people in the West, just the idea of meditating is a major source of stress. People will try doing just about anything before trying “not doing,” aka meditating. Many people will say walking or swimming or dancing is their meditation. So is that really meditating? Is that equally beneficial as meditation?

In this podcast, Todd Perelmuter explores alternatives to meditation, the differences between meditation and meditative activities, and the varying benefits from each. If you’ve ever thought, “sitting still with my eyes closed sounds worse than torture,” this podcast is for you. If you’ve ever wondered about other methods that can replace meditation, this podcast is definitely for you.